
You give us gifts and make them grow
The “Gifts of the Spirit” appear to be making the news again. Todd Bently, ministering at Lakeland, at what has become known as the Florida Revival, and Trevor Baker, ministering to the people of Dudley, at what has become known as the Dudley Outpouring, are two of the main people involved in this recent explosion.
I have to say, right from the start, that I’m somewhat sceptical of such movements. I guess, in this particular thing, I’m a little like Thomas, and need to see things for myself. But I do know that there are some very sincere people who have been affected by these events, and set great store by them.
However, I like to, at least try to, keep an open mind; and certainly don’t want to limit God by keeping him in my particular box.
My own, somewhat more conservative, thoughts on the spiritual gifts go something like this:
There are several instances recorded in the book of Acts in which the apostles were involved in healing and casting out demons (3:2-16; 5:12-16; 9:36-42; 20:6-12; 28:1-6). These miracles helped to give validity to the apostles’ teaching. Only two people who weren’t apostles were said to have performed miracles: both specially commissioned “deacons” (Acts 6:5), Stephen (Acts 6:8) and Philip (Acts 8:5-13).
The apostles had a unique function to play in the establishment of the early church. Ephesians 2:20 tells us that the church was “built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone”. Paul spoke of miracles being the mark of a true apostle. Describing his own ministry he wrote, “The signs of a true apostle were performed among you with utmost patience, signs and wonders and mighty works” (2 Corinthians 12:12).
Nowhere in the New Testament do we find believers in general performing the same types of dramatic miracles as the apostles do. The apostles were commissioned especially for the founding stage of the church.
I don’t think we need dramatic “signs and wonders” to mature or minister, we can do both without the drama. “Allowing the Spirit to do his work” doesn’t mean we have to have out of control Church services. Our Lord is a God of order (1 Corinthians 14:40), and he produces the fruit of self-control (Galatians 5:23).
People asked Jesus for a sign, and he told them, “An evil and adulterous generation asks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it” (Matthew 12:39). They were curious but not ready to repent and follow him yet. And the same problem exists today, people who have little desire to involve themselves in the spiritual self-discipline needed for personal growth, still want to see a show of supernatural power.
Despite all the protests to the contrary, those who promote the use of “spiritual gifts” — such as: speaking in tongues; healing; words of knowledge; prophetic utterances; and ecstatic feelings — do exert an intimidating force on those who don’t share their experiences, or question their validity. I’ve been on the receiving end of that intimidation, and the urge to conform was immense, and not from God.
Paul warned the Corinthian believers against false teachers who were trying to force them into submission with incredible claims of spiritual authority (2 Corinthians 11:1-15). These “super-apostles” even claimed to be superior to Paul. He was concerned that the believers may be led astray from the simple truth of the gospel.
We would be naive to think that we don’t face the same threat today. That’s why we must carefully examine our faith, evaluate what we’re being told, and test all things by what God has said in the Bible. We should do as the Bereans did; they “examined the scriptures every day” to see if what Paul preached to them was true (Acts 17:11).
I think I’ve wandered far enough away from the phrase chosen in this week’s Collect, so should probably stop now. I think what I’m really trying to say with the above is, let’s not deny the spiritual gifts, but let’s be careful out there and be sure they do come from God. But, I suspect, that isn’t quite what the Collect is referring to. Just as well this blog is about personal reflections.
Generous God,
you give us gifts and make them grow:
though our faith is small as mustard seed,
make it grow to your glory
and the flourishing of your kingdom;
through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.Additional Collect for The Seventh Sunday after Trinity
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Wise words Paul. I have been watching the florida outpouring on YouTube and while it is mostly man made, there are some moments of worship that are simply beautiful and very Holy.
Undoubtedly, there are some incredible moments within what is happening both in Florida and in Dudley. I just find it very difficult to put my scepticism aside, and just celebrate it for what it appears to be. I would love to be proved wrong on this though.
To be proved right or wrong kind of misses the point. There are clear abuses of scripture but mixed with moments of worship that delight and open peoples hearts to the Lord. I have to admit to times of pure delight in my own worship, the same as what you see in Florida and Dudley but they were not part of a large revival or large gathering. More times of normal ‘church’ but the Holy Spirit touched and came upon me. When He comes in this way I know He is real and wants to pour out His Love into my life. So I can identify with the worship from the Heather Clark band and it is loverly to watch and share on You Tube the worship she brings with her band. The teaching and actions of Todd leave me thinking he has run away with it all… but that will not stop God touching people while in Worship. Paul I would love to share more of my experiences if you would like, just let me know and if email or a telephone call would be better. Selah.
I would very much like to hear more of your experiences Steve. If you’re agreeable, I would like to keep it on the blog, not because I don’t want you to contact me by email or phone (happy for both), but because it would be really good for others to be able to read about them too. I wonder how you might feel about writing a “guest post” on the blog — if you’re agreeable we can work out the technicalities of doing so.
I think it’s especially important that we recognize and allow a sense of the numinous in what we might think of as the “normal” services, rather than relying on the “special” services and events. I’ve been fortunate enough to experience both. And both can be very moving experiences. But, in some ways, more so in the “normal” services where you might not be expecting it — although I suppose we should really “expect” it more.
Paul, yes I would be very happy to write a guest blog. Let me say that I am not a fanatic who demands that all christians must experience this or that….. no. I am of the contemplative faith but still have the Holy Spirit come upon me in power and the result of that is what most would call the Pentecostal Church. But in quiet and monastic settings I have often found the Holy Spirit to move in deep and great power, more than when I have been at a Pentecostal service! So I would love to write a more in depth account for you. Lets work out the mechanics and get this project off the ground. Selah!
That’s really good to hear Steve, thank you. It’s very often the “fanatics” who we hear from about their worship experiences; so it will be really good to hear of something somewhat different. I shall look forward immensely to reading what you’ve got to say.
I think I’ve got things set up on this blog so that I need to register new users in the admin control panel. I’ll set up something for you, and email login details. As I’m not completely sure what all of the settings are for, we may need to make some adjustments once things are set up.
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